If you are interested in doing dramatic presentations to
highlight key social, religious, and philosophical issues to jump-start some
meaningful conversations, you might want
to take a look at this one.
Please feel free to hijack this dialogue. I just ask for feedback – How did it go?
Please feel free to hijack this dialogue. I just ask for feedback – How did it go?
This one builds upon the fact that most of us believe in
being true to ourselves and to our conscience. However, we differ regarding
what this entails.
HITCH: “To your own self, be true!” You believe this, don’t
you, Christian?
CHRISTIAN: Of course, I do.
HITCH: And so you believe that it is right for me to follow
my own conscience? Even for an atheist like me?
CHRISTIAN: Yes! For an atheist, Hindu, Jew, or even a Nazi!
HITCH: Okay, let me try to restate this. Then you are
agreeing that I am my own standard of truth, the captain of my own ship. And
you are admitting that I have the right to navigate my ship into any port where
I want to navigate it.
CHRISTIAN: Certainly, you have that right, and the law is even
on your side.
HITCH: I am really surprised at you, Chris. I thought that
you believe that there is one moral law and that everyone has to live according
to this law?
CHRISTIAN: You are right again, Hitch. I do believe that
there is one moral law. Consequently, we shouldn’t rape, abuse others, torture
babies, or take what doesn’t belong to us. To be true to ourselves is to
acknowledge these internally perceived truths and to live accordingly. When we
fail to live accordingly, we damage ourselves and others.
HITCH: I certainly agree with you, Chris. But I don’t need
your daddy-in-the-sky to know these things.
CHRISTIAN: I agree, and that’s why I agreed with you when
you quoted Shakespeare. When we are true to ourselves and what is written in
our conscience, we recognize the same moral truths.
HITCH: Well then, you believe that it is enough to follow our own conscience?
CHRISTIAN: This is only the beginning, although inadequate in itself.
HITCH: This is what turns people off to your Christian faith. You are always moralizing for others, telling them how they should live. Don’t you see how offensive this is?
CHRISTIAN: Yes, but then the law is also offensive. It also tells us how we should live. Are you also offended by the laws of the law?
HITCH: Well then, you believe that it is enough to follow our own conscience?
CHRISTIAN: This is only the beginning, although inadequate in itself.
HITCH: This is what turns people off to your Christian faith. You are always moralizing for others, telling them how they should live. Don’t you see how offensive this is?
CHRISTIAN: Yes, but then the law is also offensive. It also tells us how we should live. Are you also offended by the laws of the law?
HITCH: Perhaps I am. We should live and let live as long as
the other guy isn’t stepping on our feet.
CHRISTIAN: Then you too are telling them how to live.
CHRISTIAN: Then you too are telling them how to live.
HITCH: Perhaps, but I think that there is great wisdom in
evolution which has taught us how we need to live in harmony with one another
and how to build community.
CHRISTIAN: Well, it seems that evolution has also taught us to believe in God. After all, the great majority of humanity believes in God.
CHRISTIAN: Well, it seems that evolution has also taught us to believe in God. After all, the great majority of humanity believes in God.
HITCH: True, but we have evolved from that primitive belief.
Clearly, it is no longer necessary.
CHRISTIAN: Then evolution isn’t the basis of your morality.
HITCH: I don’t understand what the heck you’re talking about.
HITCH: I don’t understand what the heck you’re talking about.
CHRISTIAN: It is clear that you are unwilling to believe in
the “wisdom” of evolution because it is always evolving. Here today, gone
tomorrow. Besides, there are many “evolutionary” human traits that neither of
us would want to embrace, like denial, zenophobia, warfare, murder, rape, lust,
jealousy, bitterness, unforgiveness… Therefore, there has to be a higher
standard by which you decide what it means to be “true to yourself.” You
certainly do not agree with everything evolution has handed down to you. You
don’t believe that you have to be “true” to your resentments and lusts, do you?
HITCH: Of course, not. But being true-to-yourself involves a
lot of other things like the accepted values of society.
CHRISTIAN: Hitch, if being true-to-yourself is just a matter of conforming to an assortment of socially created standards, then you are not true-to-yourself but are merely conforming to society. If society tells you to hate blacks or whites, will you conform to this also?
HITCH: Of course, not! I’ve already told you that there are many factors involved, not just evolution and social values. There is also a matter of intelligence and freewill.
CHRISTIAN: Hitch, if being true-to-yourself is just a matter of conforming to an assortment of socially created standards, then you are not true-to-yourself but are merely conforming to society. If society tells you to hate blacks or whites, will you conform to this also?
HITCH: Of course, not! I’ve already told you that there are many factors involved, not just evolution and social values. There is also a matter of intelligence and freewill.
CHRISTIAN: Well, what kind of role do they play?
HITCH: Intelligence tells me that racism is not right and freewill gives me the ability to go against the crowd.
CHRISTIAN: I’m certainly glad to hear that. You are, therefore, claiming that intelligence is more authoritative than evolution and social standards. I am also assuming that you are referring to the inner moral light, the “intelligence” of your conscience?
HITCH: Exactly!
CHRISTIAN: However, if your moral intelligence is simply the product of evolution and social standards, then there is no compelling reason to live according to this “intelligence.” For one thing, it is no more than a product of biochemistry, according to your worldview. Besides, it is evolving. Therefore, even if it is wrong to kill your wife today, it might conceivably be right tomorrow. Why then not get ahead of the trend and just kill your wife today?
HITCH: Intelligence tells me that racism is not right and freewill gives me the ability to go against the crowd.
CHRISTIAN: I’m certainly glad to hear that. You are, therefore, claiming that intelligence is more authoritative than evolution and social standards. I am also assuming that you are referring to the inner moral light, the “intelligence” of your conscience?
HITCH: Exactly!
CHRISTIAN: However, if your moral intelligence is simply the product of evolution and social standards, then there is no compelling reason to live according to this “intelligence.” For one thing, it is no more than a product of biochemistry, according to your worldview. Besides, it is evolving. Therefore, even if it is wrong to kill your wife today, it might conceivably be right tomorrow. Why then not get ahead of the trend and just kill your wife today?
HITCH: You’re being ridiculous. I know where you are going
with this. You are building a case that your sky-daddy is the only answer.
CHRISTIAN: You’re right.
HITCH: However, Socrates had put the kibosh on your “Divine Command Theory.” In Euthyphro’s Dilemma, he decisively asked: “Is a thing pious because the gods will it, or do the gods will it because it is pious.” In either case, his dilemma does away with your pious theory. If it is good because your god wills it, then it is arbitrary. If your god wills it because it is good, it means that there is a higher standard of good than your god, making him irrelevant.
CHRISTIAN: You’re right.
HITCH: However, Socrates had put the kibosh on your “Divine Command Theory.” In Euthyphro’s Dilemma, he decisively asked: “Is a thing pious because the gods will it, or do the gods will it because it is pious.” In either case, his dilemma does away with your pious theory. If it is good because your god wills it, then it is arbitrary. If your god wills it because it is good, it means that there is a higher standard of good than your god, making him irrelevant.
CHRISTIAN: Hitch, you are forgetting one thing – that there
is another alternative, the biblical one. Morality is good because morality and
moral law are God Himself, the foundation of all reality, including even you
and the moral law written upon your conscience.
HITCH: You have no right to talk for me. I didn’t give you
that right. Being true-to-myself also involves the fact that I am in charge. I
can simply decide what morals I want to follow.
CHRISTIAN: Well, you can simply decide. You have that ability.
However, rather than God being arbitrary and subjective, it is you who are then
arbitrary and subjective. If you can decide how to live, you can also
un-decide. What then makes your decisions any more decisive or weighty than
what you don’t decide to do?
HITCH: That’s my freedom, and it’s what it means to be me.
HITCH: That’s my freedom, and it’s what it means to be me.
CHRISTIAN: Excuse me for observing this, but it seems that
what you are advocating is like playing chess without any rules or only with
rules you dream up at the moment. Isn’t this meaningless and utterly
unsatisfying, even if you are being true to yourself?
HITCH: Let’s consider this conversation officially closed.
HITCH: Let’s consider this conversation officially closed.
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