Friday, September 9, 2011

Naturalism: The Desperate Refuge




So often, I’m challenged to provide evidence for the existence of God. There are many lines of evidence – the miracles and prophecy of the Bible, spiritualistic phenomena, after death experiences, answered prayer. However, here, I just want to ask the question, “Which accords best with the evidence – naturalism or supernaturalism (Intelligent Design - ID)?” These are the only two possibilities. Either things originated and operate naturally or supernaturally; either they are purposeless or they are planned and purposeful.

However, there is not one shred of evidence that our laws of physics occurred or operate naturally. Meanwhile there are many reasons to attribute them to the supernatural (ID) and transcendent mind of God:

1. OMINPRESENCE AND UNIFORMITY: Westminster Theological Seminary Professor Vern Poythress argues that our laws of physics possess the same qualities as does God, thereby pointing to their other-world-ness.

• The law, if it really is law and is correctly formulated and qualified, holds for all times and all places. The classic terms are omnipresence (all places) and eternity (all times). Law has these two attributes that are classically attributed to God.

Whenever we move away from a temporal non-transcendent source of energy, like a bonfire, its energy becomes less. Instead, it seems that our laws seamlessly surround us, exercising the same influence in any location. This would argue for their transcendent origin and operation and omnipresence. Naturalism is unable to account for this uniformity of influence. Furthermore, it is unwilling to acknowledge that there is anything transcendent.

2. IMMUTABILITY: Every atom is in motion and subject to change. Not so our laws! They act unchangingly upon the universe, but the universe does not act upon them! This again points to their extra-worldly qualities and away from this natural, material world. Naturalism has no way of accounting for immutability in this world of constant change. Poythress writes:

• The law does not change with time. It is immutable. A supposed ‘law’ that did change with time would not really be “the law.”

3. OMNIPOTENCE: The laws act irresistibly upon this universe. However the universe doesn’t act upon them. Again, this suggests a transcendence for which naturalism cannot account.

• The universe…conforms to laws already there, laws that are discovered rather than invented…If they are truly universal, they are not violated. No event escapes their ‘hold’ or dominion. The power of these real laws is absolute, in fact, infinite. In classical language, the law is omnipotent (‘all-powerful’). If law is omnipotent and universal, there are truly no exceptions. (Poythress, All the quotations are taken from “Redeeming Science,” 17-27.)

4. ELEGANCE: The laws are just so elegant, simple and harmonious. They operate together seamlessly. Energy equals mass times the speed of light, exactly squared. Why the simplicity? Why are these three parameters so harmoniously and simply related? All of this argues in favor of design. Explosions (Big Bang) do not create any appearance of design.

• The fact that there are rules at all to be checked is a kind of miracle; that it is possible to find a rule, like the inverse square law of gravitation, is some sort of miracle. (Nobel Laureate in physics, Richard Feynman)

5. ORIGIN: Something does not come out of nothing. Albert Einstein wrote,

• Every one who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

Allan Sandage, widely regarded as the father of modern astronomy and discoverer of quasars, wrote,

• I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence – why there is something rather than nothing. (Quoted by John C. Lennox, “God and Stephen Hawking,” 44)

Naturalism/chance is unable to account for any of the above. In fact, there is no evidence that the natural even exists. In contrast to the claims of naturalism, the Bible asserts that God rules through the laws He has established.

The entire universe tends to wildly point beyond itself to the supernatural. Causes must be adequate to explain the effects. If they aren’t, it suggests that part of the effect is uncaused – something that science will not countenance. Naturalism says that things just happen. Hence, it never serves as an adequate cause. Lennox concludes:

• The world of strict naturalism, in which clever mathematical laws all by themselves bring the universe and life into existence is pure (science) fiction…a rather desperate refuge from the alternative possibility [God]. (43)

But who says that the natural can even claim the domain of mathematics! Perhaps this too is a logic emanating from the mind of God?

Naturalism’s problems don’t end here. It must also explain the origin and function of other phenomena like freewill, consciousness, life, DNA, the cell, moral absolutes, and the fine-tuning of the universe. The more we observe this world, the more we find design and the more naturalism reveals that it is nothing more than a “desperate refuge,” a king parading without any clothing.

6 comments:

  1. Mann: There are many lines of evidence – the miracles and prophecy of the Bible, spiritualistic phenomena, after death experiences, answered prayer.
    All of which fail to establish the existence of the supernatural, let alone an tri-omni deity.

    Mann: Westminster Theological Seminary Professor Vern Poythress argues that our laws of physics possess the same qualities as does God, thereby pointing to their other-world-ness.
    I'd suggest you get your information regarding the laws of physics from physicists rather than theologians (who, by virtue of their field, seem to simply assume God exists).

    Mann: The law, if it really is law and is correctly formulated and qualified, holds for all times and all places. The classic terms are omnipresence (all places) and eternity (all times). Law has these two attributes that are classically attributed to God.
    omnipresence and eternity of laws are assumptions.
    In fact, they break down when we look at things link black hole singularities and the big bang.

    Mann: Instead, it seems that our laws seamlessly surround us, exercising the same influence in any location.
    The laws are not so much things, but "regularities". They're not sources of energy.

    Mann: This would argue for their transcendent origin and operation and omnipresence.
    No it wouldn't and doesn't.

    Mann: Naturalism is unable to account for this uniformity of influence. Furthermore, it is unwilling to acknowledge that there is anything transcendent.
    Naturalism has no problem with the uniformity. The unwillingness to acknowledge anything "transcendant" is due to a lack of decent reliable evidence as well as the lack of any need to posit it to explain the world.

    Mann: Every atom is in motion and subject to change.
    If General Relativity is taken seriously, then the passage of time is an illusion, and we live in a 4-dimensional space-time which is unchanging.

    Mann: They act unchangingly upon the universe, but the universe does not act upon them!
    I'm beginning to see some of your misconceptions Daniel.
    They do not "act upon the universe" - they are "the universe". They're the way in which photons interact with electrons, etc.

    Mann: The law does not change with time. It is immutable. A supposed ‘law’ that did change with time would not really be “the law.”
    "Law" in science doesn't mean absolutely certain.

    Mann: The universe…conforms to laws already there, laws that are discovered rather than invented
    If Big Bang cosmology is taken seriously, then the laws were not there in the very early universe - all was chaos.

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  2. Mann: The laws are just so elegant, simple and harmonious. They operate together seamlessly.
    How would you suggest they operate, Daniel?
    Since it seems logically possible for an omnipotent being to create a universe which was not elegant, simple or harmonious, and since it would seem that the number of such universes is greater than the number of simple, etc, universes, and also, since a natural universe would seem to be expected to be simple, harmonious, etc, this point only supports naturalism, and undermines supernaturalism, rather than the reverse.

    Mann: Energy equals mass times the speed of light, exactly squared. Why the simplicity?
    Well, since "energy" is "light", and energy and matter are interchangeable, this doesn't seem to miraculous.

    Mann: Why are these three parameters so harmoniously and simply related?
    Because matter is energy is matter. We can collide 2 photons and "create" a particle and it's anti-particle pair, conserving mass-energy. We can collide the particle and antiparticle and get 2 photons back out again.
    It seems this doesn't appear so miraculous when you have greater understanding of the underlying science.

    Mann: All of this argues in favor of design.
    Argument from personal incredulity - "I can't see how it could have happened without design!". Not a great positive argument Daniel.

    Mann: Something does not come out of nothing.
    We have no evidence that there ever was "nothing", nor that it is a possible state of affairs.
    Besides, it seems rather ludicrous to be claiming this when your own position is "creation ex nihilo" :-)

    Mann: Every one who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
    That would be Einstein the poetic pantheist/Spinozian?
    The one who didn't believe in a personal creator, nor in a supernatural mind of any sort, but rather the universe as God?
    When looked at from what appears to be his beliefs, this statement doesn't support your contention.

    Allan Sandage: I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos.
    Does he bother to work out how improbable it is that God exists, so he can compare the two?
    Besides, there are hypothesis, such as symmetry breaking, which seem to provide at least a partial explanation to this.

    Allan Sandage: There has to be some organizing principle.
    I don't suppose he bothers to develop this assertion further?
    Why does the have to be an organising principle?

    Allan Sandage: God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence – why there is something rather than nothing.
    It looks like Sandage is using the term "God" more as a placeholder for ignorance, rather than as a satisfactory explanation for something.

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  3. Mann: Naturalism/chance is unable to account for any of the above.
    Being ignorant of something doesn't mean that there is no explanation.
    Even if there is no current naturalistic account of something, that doesn't mean that some other account wins "by default" - you STILL need to provide the details of that explanation, and it needs to be tested against the facts as they are.
    I've tried over and over to get you to understand this point Daniel, but it seems to be like water off of a Duck's back. You seem to require almost absolute proof and exhaustive documentation and evidence from a naturalistic account to be an explanation for something, but the statement "God did it" seems to qualify in your books as an adequate supernatural explanation.
    Special pleading in aisle three.


    Mann: In fact, there is no evidence that the natural even exists.
    I didn't think you were an idealist, Daniel?
    If you accept the existence of an objective external reality (and I'm pretty sure you do) then you accept the existence of the "Natural" world.

    Mann: In contrast to the claims of naturalism, the Bible asserts that God rules through the laws He has established.
    Hilarious Daniel. Naturalism requires evidence to support a claim, but the bible need only assert something is the case for it to be so.
    Double standards methinks.

    Mann: Causes must be adequate to explain the effects. If they aren’t, it suggests that part of the effect is uncaused – something that science will not countenance.
    Actually, I think you're mistaken about that. The decay of a radioactive isotope has no "cause" outside of itself, and when it happens is a statistical value rather than a strictly determinate one.

    Mann: Naturalism says that things just happen.
    Things just happen according to the way things are (the properties of particles influence the ways in which they can interact with other particles, etc).

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  4. Lennox: The world of strict naturalism, in which clever mathematical laws all by themselves bring the universe and life into existence is pure (science) fiction…a rather desperate refuge from the alternative possibility [God].
    While there are some naturalists who hold this sort of position (and it seems rather more defensible than Lennox gives credit), not all are, and therefore Lennox's blow fails to land.

    Mann: But who says that the natural can even claim the domain of mathematics!
    There are rather more naturalistic or non-theistic accounts of maths than there are theistic ones. Theistic arguments tend to fail as far as I can tell.

    Mann: Perhaps this too is a logic emanating from the mind of God?
    Does that mean that 2 + 2 could equal 5 if God willed it? How would/could that work?
    It's incoherent to think that God's will could mess with mathematical proofs - they tend to be thought of as necessary (as in, they deductively follow from the initial axioms) rather than contingent upon some being's will or nature.

    Mann: Naturalism’s problems don’t end here.
    I should hope not, since it looks like you failed to produce any problems for naturalism.

    Mann: It must also explain the origin and function of other phenomena like freewill, consciousness, life, DNA, the cell, moral absolutes, and the fine-tuning of the universe.
    Why oh why do you keep bringing these out Daniel?
    Whenever we've actually discussed them you rely upon assertion and ignorance. And yet here you are, trotting them out as if you or someone else had deductive proof that only theism/Christianity can account for them.
    You remember that I presented you with a naturalistic hypothesis for the origin of the universe and the laws of physics (courtesy of Vic Stenger)?
    You remember you dismissed it on the grounds that you didn't understand it?

    Mann: The more we observe this world, the more we find design and the more naturalism reveals that it is nothing more than a “desperate refuge,” a king parading without any clothing.
    And yet your points supposedly against naturalism fail to find any target whatsoever. And your arguments in favour of supernaturalism are logically fallacious .

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  5. Daniel, you're very fond of quoting supposed authorities on things, as if their conclusions matter outside of the context of the arguments they're developing. But you ONLY seem to accept this when the conclusion supports the conclusion you reached a priori ("God exists and Christianity is true").
    When an authority doesn't agree with you is quoted, you simply dismiss them (I assume because you "know" you're right, which means this authority must be wrong).

    You might try, in future, presenting arguments for your claims, rather than arguing from authority quite so much :-)

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  6. At the very least, you should present reasons why the quote should be taken seriously (Vern Poythress on Cosmology for instance), and be sure that what you think they're saying was likely what they were actually saying (the Einsteing quote).

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